EA Sports FIFA The r/FIFA Daily Discussion Thread -- May 24, 2021 |
- The r/FIFA Daily Discussion Thread -- May 24, 2021
- Max Verstappen (Monaco 2021 winner) loves soccer and understands the fut meta
- TOTS Caicedo: Crossbar Challenge Champion
- Opinion: Müller Nice
- 20-4 FALSE 352/433 FULLBACK KILLER WL REVIEW - A lesson in exploiting opponent AI.
- Definitely not a foul ref
- Full CSL + Eredevise TOTS teams
- TOTS Antony objectives
- Eredivisie tots
- TOTS Fellaini!!
- scored this in my SC Braga player career mode on my debut. It might be the best goal i’ve ever scored.
- Historic teams idea (what's your addition?)
- "From next year the popular FIFA simulator will have the national team of Ukraine" - Ukrainian FA president Pavelko
- Is anyone else just not bothering with Icon swaps?
- HELP(XBOX) : 10 DC in back to back FUT CHAMPS games in the last 2 hours
- Eredivisie TOTS in the next hour. I'm so hyped!
- Heatwaves appreciation thread
- 92+ prime icon pack and 84+ pick mega thread
- I finally did it
- All I’m saying is, Flashback 74 rated Kazu Miura for silver stars
- 84+ player pick
- Why are they adding longshot objectives when longshots have become absolutely useless?
- 92+ prime icon pack (non-rep)
- Got my first Gold 2 ever! Some tips for all my fellow Gold 3 merchants.
- My own personal META...
| The r/FIFA Daily Discussion Thread -- May 24, 2021 Posted: 24 May 2021 04:00 AM PDT This thread is the place to go for the posts that crop up in /new that don't necessarily need a full thread for discussion, which include but are not limited to:
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| Max Verstappen (Monaco 2021 winner) loves soccer and understands the fut meta Posted: 24 May 2021 11:45 AM PDT |
| TOTS Caicedo: Crossbar Challenge Champion Posted: 24 May 2021 04:12 AM PDT |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 01:12 PM PDT |
| 20-4 FALSE 352/433 FULLBACK KILLER WL REVIEW - A lesson in exploiting opponent AI. Posted: 24 May 2021 04:21 AM PDT WARNING: LONG READ. I known about this formation/ tactic for a while and had briefly used it when Beckham was released last year, but I decided to revisit this formation this WL and it worked with great effect. This is how my team lines up in game; KEY TACTICS: CAM - BALANCED, GET IN THE BOX LM/RM (CHOOSE ONE) - STAY FORWARD, CUT INSIDE, GET IN THE BOX LM/RM (CHOOSE ONE) - COME BACK ON DEFENSE, GET IN THE BOX. To be self indulgent for a second - the idea behind what i wanted to achieve for this formation was during a game between Man United and Arsenal in an FA cup tie. Lukaku was played in a 4312 formation but was instructed to stay by the by line on the right - where Kolasinac is supposed to be. With Arsenal's fullbacks main strength being in attack this created a situation where Kolasinac had to make a decision; stay back to mark lukaku and neuter Arsenal's attacking threat, or to bomb forward which left the channel for lukaku to run onto. Ultimately, the latter occurred more often than not and Lukaku was given time and space to gather two assists and claim the MOTM. I think one of the commentators had claimed that the tactic was akin to 'cheating'. It's a game and situation that has stuck in my mind and I wanted to replicate in this game. So going back to the formation - i couldnt exactly replicate it in a 4312, but I managed to find a solution using the 352 as the in game formation. The basic principle for this formation is that you play with a front 3, but the formation is tilted that one of the wingers is hugging the sideline. You also have a screening 3 in midfield which would outnumber or at least match most formations to provide control. You basically play as a 433 in defense but a 352 in attack - allowing for the stability of 4 defence and 3 midfield but also having the attack capabilities of a 352. DEFENSIVE PHASE When defending in this formation, you'll generally find yourself in a position such as the above, though with a few things to note. I play this formation with my RWB as my stay forward winger which means the striker would be my RS (Haaland) and my pseudo LW is my LS (PIM Klose). Also important thing to note is that my CAM (Muller) drops into the midfield and plays as the LCM in this formation. Lastly your RCB will move to RB. This is nothing special about this formation for defending in this formation but there is a lot of protection offered, especially if your CDM's and CM are good box to box with good defensive stats. KEY TAKEAWAYS AND REQUIREMENTS; - CAM should be a good box to box with high stam - he will be up and down a lot with sometimes covering the LWB/LB. - Your RCB should be a full back given that he'll be defending the wide positions against wingers. - I play a RB at RW - but theres nothing suggesting that you can play a traditional winger or attacker in that role. I like the option of an extra defender in case i need to change formations in game. ATTACKING PHASE The reason I call this formation the full back killer is due to the absurd amount of space the formation creates in between the opponent CB and fullback. Something that people really overlook is how your AI runs affect the opponents AI and because this formation essentially changes from a 433 to a 352, the opponents AI defends for a 433 but takes a while to transition into being programmed to defend a 352. Basically your opponents AI doesn't know who to mark. If the conditions are right and your opponent is quite attacking in his play - a lot of the time you can end up with a picture like the above during transition. Assuming the ball is won by Mbabu - the interesting thing that occurs is that Lazaro actually runs towards the ball before making the run in behind. It's a weird quirk to this formation and I have no idea why it happens; but the effect of this is that it forces the opponent fullback to absurdly follow Lazaro; creating the aforementioned space between the CB and LB. As a result you can;
It's one of the quirks to this formation which I don't know why it happens; to be very honest it could be a exploit to the AI coding, but nevertheless it always leave a potential to attack, no matter how strong your opponent is. Obviously this exploit is not guaranteeing a goal - the rest is up to you. If the opponent is much more defensive, you'll generally see the situation above. There are a few things to note with the above; - Klose, instead of running out wide to the channel as his position would suggest, actually makes a darting effort to come inside; subsequently dragging the fullback with him. - Theo hernandez starts making his overlapping run. - Muller makes a diagonal run inside from LB/LCM into Central CAm. - Haaland shifts from a central striker position to slotting in between the LCB and LB. One of the most important thing to note in this formation is the role of the fullback against your wide winger. The majority of the time in defence, my out ball will generally be to mbabu as he's the most in space. This is important because when he's carrying out the ball, there's a few choices for the opponent to make;
Whatever choice he makes, there leaves space somewhere, which can be exploited. I like my strikers strong and tall, meaning crosses are key and viable for this phase. EXPLOITING THE LEFT HAND SIDE. Obviously the situations I've laid out are ideal in theory, but in-game situations can never just work in one or two ways or your opponent will realise what you're doing. What's good about this formation is the fluidity on how you attack and this can be shown in this 3rd example. So I've talked already about how this formation exploits the opponent AI's indecisiveness, pulling them out of position and it's the same with this example. Here are the key points;
What this means is that it cause the opponent to become very narrow, as shown below; So what time means is that;
CONCULSION The three attacking scenarios I've listed are generally the ones that i exploit, though obviously it changes from game to game. I've found it a really exciting formation that allows you to be solid defensively without comprimising offense. You'll find that in games you have the opportunity to score even if you're getting outclassed, which probably accounts to why I've done so well this WL. I hope this review has helped broaden the perspective on formations - I very rarely play formations now without an 'overload' or 'exploit' somewhere in the formation and it's something that i rarely see done. I still think there is a lot to learn by exploiting the AI, so hopefully this would at least begin the conversation. Thanks for taking time to read the ramblings of someone that has a bit too much time and I hope you've learned something along the way. If you do try this formation - let me know how you get one! [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 04:44 PM PDT |
| Full CSL + Eredevise TOTS teams Posted: 24 May 2021 09:56 AM PDT |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 10:02 AM PDT |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 10:58 AM PDT Anyone else insanely underwhelmed? Last year we had a 95 promes, 96 ziyech, 94 idrissi, 94 (?) Tadic. This year however, we get a 91 rated koopmeiners as the best card. Don't get me wrong, it's a good card, but he was nowhere near the best player in the league. For me it was either Tadic or Berghuis. Tadic was the MVP at Ajax, the team that won the league by a huge margin, scoring 14 goals and assisting 18 times. All this in 34 matches. Berghuis was the MVP at Feyenoord, scoring 18 and assisting 14, in 31 games. These players are 90 rated and 89 rated respectively. Antony, the objective card, is a cool card, and I'm definitely going to be completing him as an Ajax fan. However, the rating is just not right. Antony should never have a higher rating than Berghuis. One big player is missing, Gravenberch. A 19 year old midfielder that had his breakout season this year. Played the most minutes at Ajax together with Tadic. Gravenberch was one of the most consistent players at Ajax, arguably one of the best midfielders in the league. I'd even say he was better than koopmeiners was. Sure, he could still get an sbc, but I think he should have been in the main team over someone like blind. Dumfries getting in the tots is a disgrace in my opinion, had his worst season for psv in 3 years. Klaassen at an 87 is also a joke. So important for Ajax on his first season back. Scored 12 goals (which were mostly opening goals) and assisted 3 in 29 games. Large post, needed to rant. [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 10:02 AM PDT |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 09:06 AM PDT |
| Historic teams idea (what's your addition?) Posted: 24 May 2021 04:20 PM PDT Just as NBA 2K (god, I hope they make a football game some day) it would be a nice add to put historical teams. Here's some ideas and why:
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| Posted: 24 May 2021 10:08 AM PDT |
| Is anyone else just not bothering with Icon swaps? Posted: 24 May 2021 09:57 AM PDT I did the first 8*x pack but I just can't be bothered with the slog... TOTS players have replaced the majority of my good icons, the amount of squad battles and first owner bits here and there just do not appeal to me at all. Why not make fun objectives, this just reminds me of those quests in mmos where you have to fetch 200 bone fragments... Maybe it is just me.. [link] [comments] |
| HELP(XBOX) : 10 DC in back to back FUT CHAMPS games in the last 2 hours Posted: 24 May 2021 06:07 PM PDT |
| Eredivisie TOTS in the next hour. I'm so hyped! Posted: 24 May 2021 09:05 AM PDT |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 12:38 AM PDT First FIFA song in a while to make it on to my playlist. [link] [comments] |
| 92+ prime icon pack and 84+ pick mega thread Posted: 24 May 2021 10:21 AM PDT |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 02:30 PM PDT |
| All I’m saying is, Flashback 74 rated Kazu Miura for silver stars Posted: 24 May 2021 06:20 PM PDT Give it to him for being the first Japanese player to win Asian player of the year, and especially given he's the oldest current player in the game, it's just be a cool card to have for him [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 10:04 AM PDT |
| Why are they adding longshot objectives when longshots have become absolutely useless? Posted: 24 May 2021 06:08 AM PDT Ffs I have been trying to do the longshots objective for barrella and have about 3-10 longshots per game depending on the opponent. All different angles, situations, players (toty messi, tots benzema and I sub them on at ht before anyone moans). Nothing goes in. Only have one from when the opponent took his keeper out to rush my player and I chipped just outside the box. Also doesn't help when opponents are up by 4 or more in the 80th minute and play like absolute sweats like their life is on the line holy cow. So far the ones I messaged for doing objectives and they get the win, all mocked me and sent toxic messages back if they beat me... [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 10:12 AM PDT |
| Got my first Gold 2 ever! Some tips for all my fellow Gold 3 merchants. Posted: 24 May 2021 03:24 AM PDT OK so I've been a Gold 3 player for years, basically. I have played FIFA/PES for decades (I'm 34 years old) and had accepted this was just my level. Nowadays I only play WL during TOTS anyway bc I have a young kid and wife that demand attention. This weekend, I had some spare time and cruised to Gold 3 (14-7) for once. With the extended WL and a day off I thought: why not go for it? And yay, after some tough games I ended up 17-9! Pretty happy about that and I of course have to tell Reddit bc none of my friends care lol. A couple of (maybe not so original) tips that have worked for me:
Hope this is somewhat helpful. Last but not least I want to thank this sub for all the great gameplay tips! Have a good one all. EDIT: Thanks for the silver! 👍 [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 02:12 PM PDT I've tried really hard this FIFA to improve my game and I've definitely succeeded in many ways. I'd hit a plateau though and couldn't break through. I got the coins together yesterday to get TOTY Kimmich (am now bankrupt) and abandoned 5-2-1-2 to fit him in (FB Can is a really good CB, btw). I go 4-1-2-1-2 narrow and switch to possession from long ball (tactics were a very slight tweak from NealGuides). And suddenly my game is exactly how I want it. I'm playing my way (switching the ball from side to side, quick movement, pull the opposition out of shape) and the plateau is broken. All I can say is, in my case, the META for me is how I want to play. Copying other tactics ain't it. So do your own thing. Play your way. It helps no end. [link] [comments] |
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